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Fuck Pascal

Pascal said that it is better to believe in god because if you are wrong, you lose nothing and if you are right, you gain everything. I want to show my own opinion on this matter.

God exists, or not, and neither can be proven. God is either benevolent or malevolent.

My wager is that it is best to be a good person, and believe in whatever seems to you the most likely, so long as it doesn't lead you to stop being good in any way.

Taking my wager, if there is no god, you live a good life and you can ask little more than that.

If there is a malevolent god, he probably doesn't care much whether you believed in him or not, he's likely to be just as malevolent to you when you come to his afterlife.

If there is a benevolent god, he probably cares less about whether you believe in him than about how good a life you've led. If he actually does care more about whether you believe than about how good you were as a person on earth, he is not benevolent, he is malevolent.

Whether god is benevolent or malevolent, he would likely be angered by anyone taking pascal's wager in an attempt to believe in god without conviction just to curry favour with a god that they hope exists. He may send such a one to the deepest hells.

All in all, live a good life and believe what you like.


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Dec. 12th, 2009 07:55 am (UTC)
Plus there's the issue of which god to follow...
Dec. 13th, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
god? you mean there's only one?
Dec. 14th, 2009 04:56 am (UTC)
I do agree sir!

...trouble is with leading a life and believing (or not) as long as it doesn't make you a bad person is where people often fall down in this. Mostly because judging what makes you a good or bad person differs with the individual - you might not think yourself bad, but someone else might. If you catch my drift...

But yes, I do agree ;)

(also I've not seen you for AGES. Something that would be nice to change soon if we could ;P)
Dec. 14th, 2009 06:52 am (UTC)
I know! I was hoping to have a movie night or something soon, possibly with beachiness involved, would you hypothetically be up for that?

And I agree that a lot of morality is subjective, but some things are objective enough, like the golden rule - even some religions have it ("do unto others").
Dec. 14th, 2009 09:42 am (UTC)
Beeeach? yesssssss :D
and bad movies? HELL YES!!!

And I agree with the do unto others thing, but it doesn't negate the psychos out there who kill people etc ;P
Dec. 14th, 2009 11:25 am (UTC)
well it doesn't *have* to be specifically bad movies... but you know me, I do love them! I'll try to get something organised - what kinda time would be good for you?

And yeah, the psychos have a fucked up morality, but still, would you rather they try to do what they think is right, or would you like them to do what even *they* think is wrong? Food for thought..
Dec. 14th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)
food for thought indeed...

As for availability, probably the new year would prompt the best turn-out, but having said that i'm not terribly busy for a while yet...
i was planning on starting my uni stuff in March next year, so i should be relatively free for a couple of months :)
YAY freedom!!! ;P
Dec. 14th, 2009 05:14 pm (UTC)
I agree with you too. After all there are a lot of people who live evil lives but believe in God. In the end leaving a good life is more beneficial. Cause as you said, either God will be happy because you led a "good life" or you will be happy because in general you will be loved and have had a rewarding life.

As someone has already said though. Ethics is mostly subjective. The Golden Rule pretty much works for all cultures though.
Dec. 15th, 2009 02:37 am (UTC)
Mhmm. Although to be honest this post was more about being a big "fuck you" to Pascal's wager (Pascal should have just stayed with triangles), which I think is the most ridiculous idea about religion that intelligent people take seriously, than a statement about morality. In fact, I believe that it originated as a way to convince his gambling friends to be religious :P
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